podcast-giant-robots-79-uncle-bob#refactor-tests1 They talk about test first and the importance of refactoring your tests before you write your next piece of code. It's near the end of the interview. podcast-giant-robots-79-uncle-bob#refactor-tests1
podcast-giant-robots-79-uncle-bob#tests-more-important-than-code1 Ben expressed a sentiment that tests are potentially more important than code, since nothing tests the tests, but Uncle Bob disagreed, saying that the code tests the tests. He did agree, though, that given tests you can build the code to make them pass, but not the other way around. podcast-giant-robots-79-uncle-bob#tests-more-important-than-code1